AVID:Requests for Comment/Rebranding the wiki

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Closing as successful in favor of proposal 1, per overwhelming consensus. This wiki will be renamed to "AVID Wiki". Agent Isai (talk) 19:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

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Recently, a point of great debate has been in regards to this wiki's branding and future. As it stands, CLG means Closing Logos Group but many point out that this name is no longer reflective of the wiki as: 1) This wiki no longer focuses on only 'closing' logos but rather multiple types of motion logos and 2) The Group in the name is a vestigial remainder of when this wiki was affiliated with a Yahoo Group. As such, because of the great debate involved, I am creating this to establish consensus on what to do and to put the great debate aside and settle this once and for all, as this has caused rift as evidenced by the recent incident on the CLG Wiki Discord Server. If you want to add your own proposals for a different name, please feel free to do so as long as you maintain the format of "Proposal X (NAME)" and follow it with a support, abstain, oppose, and comment section. Agent Isai (talk) 00:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

To support a proposal, click "edit source" on the header titled "Support" under the name you support and at the bottom, add # {{Support}} REPLACE THIS WITH YOUR REASON FOR SUPPORTING ~~~~. Make sure to include the last four tildes (~) to sign your vote! To oppose a proposal, click "edit source" on the header titled "Oppose" under the name you oppose and at the bottom, add # {{Oppose}} REPLACE THIS WITH YOUR REASON FOR OPPOSING ~~~~. Make sure to include the last four tildes (~) to sign your vote! To abstain a proposal vote, click "edit source" on the header titled "Abstain" under the name you want to abstain from voting on and at the bottom, add # {{Abstain}} REPLACE THIS WITH YOUR REASON FOR ABSTAINING ~~~~. Make sure to include the last four tildes (~) to sign your vote!

Proposal 1 (AVID)

This wiki will change its name to AVID which stands for "Audiovisual Identity Database".

Support (1)

1. Support I really like this name- Mirabel NicholsComputerwizkid62399 (talk) 17:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
2. Support The reasons I liked AVID have nothing to do with the drama behind CLG, it's that I dream of the wiki being as great at TVArk (without the long maintenances), shows that it doesn't solely revolve around the logo community because there are many other logo designers outside of that circle especially ones who are amateurs or beginners, the possibility of having our own archive database for videos without needing to use YouTube, and to be very useful for graphic design or motion graphics references. Also, I really love Colorband's logo with those big letters. It's reminiscent of 00s logo design. Kneesocks Kirisame (talk) 01:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
3. Support I am in support of AVID. Dreamcast99 (talk) 00:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
4. Support I think this is the best possible choice for the future of this wiki. ShanuJackal (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
5. Support AVID is a much more appropriate name that reflects our evolution as a community. It has my full support. LoganStuff (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   Well, this wiki ain't about closing logos anymore. (Visit my talk page!) 01:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

6. Support I Like Avid HifiSara9000seven (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
7. Support This name is a good name. Daemonspudguy (talk) 00:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
8. Support Sorry y'all but AVID's too catchy to pass LurkingManiac (talk) 00:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
9. Support I think AVID is a great name that represents a new beginning for this Wiki. The only constant in this world is change Luke2505 (talk) 01:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
10. Support I do really think this place needs a new name. Keeping "CLG" could cause problems in the future, though it's very unlikely, but I'd still change it just in case. Also, I agree with the above statement. It is very catchy. Metronome (talk) 01:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
11. Support I'm thinking of doing AVD, because one of the reasons, is for the wiki to brain more things than just logos, including TV Show segments like the vertical direction demo sketch by Elmo, interstitials like Muppet Time segments on Nick Jr., Music Videos, title cards, etc. making this the world's largest audio visual database to compete with the CLG Wiki the former admins are making following the last week's wheel-war incident.--Crazy Muzzarino (talk) 01:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    Don't other communities do those types of things already? Why do we need to do that? As I've said before, I don't think the plan was ever deviate from just logos. If you want to do these things, why don't you make your own wiki? Also I think being the world's largest AV database would be too much. Metronome (talk) 01:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    Just like wat CCGFilms/CCG88 did before; he basically copied the CLG Wiki. (Visit my talk page!) 01:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    1. They don't note anything that's not notable to their community which the reader needs to know what instruments, sounds, backgrounds, anything they've used to produce it, and how it animates. This also goes for color/brightness changes done through remastering, and whatnot.

    2. With the other ideas other's have in mind, they want bumpers, windows screens, anything that was previously removed from the other site to be brought back in-order to compete with the CLG Wiki the troublesome admins are planning to do. Crazy Muzzarino (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    Bumpers and Windows screens are a different subject as those are mostly focused on Identity, which Muppet sketches are not. Dreamcast99 (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    So we migrate the whole thing again? (Visit my talk page!) 01:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    I don't think the wiki's community is interested in putting Muppets sketches on the wiki. Dreamcast99 (talk) 01:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    Yeah. It's best to stick to just production logos, because adding other stuff would just overcomplicate things and defeat the whole purpose of this wiki. Buzzfan120 (talk) 02:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    AVD! yes! I tried doing an Audiovisual Media Database on Fandom but it's barely gaining any traffic or visitors DaGurney (talk) 21:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

12. Support honestly i just don't care what name or logo at this point, i just want to move on and try to see what we can do to further progress this wiki than screaming at other about what name we can use. though, i do agree avid is a nice name and has a better and more broader ring to it than just "closing logos" even if it shares the same name as a multimedia company, and also even if c**** rages at us for keeping the clg name, he can get off of our butts lmao. Mr. Gann (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    To add a signature, don't forget to add four "~"s. (Visit my talk page!) 01:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

    ah forgot to put it in, thx Mr. Gann (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

13. Support I strongly support the AVID name, as the name/identity is considered to be a fresh breath of air and a welcoming (plus diverse, friendly, and inclusive) change from the old CLG Wiki branding/naming and how it represents a new beginning for the wiki (besides, the wiki isn't only just for closing logos, but also opening logos, station IDs, boot/start-up screens, and other logo-related miscellany). IAmJefferson (talk) 01:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
14. Support it's catchy and much more modern. Logohub (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
15. Support It's more modern and fresh, better reflects us as a community, might help to align us with the likes of TVArk and Transdiffusion as a more mature graphic design description and discussion site, plus it lends itself to far better potential logo designs than the letters "CLG", which I've always thought were difficult letters to make a logo out of. Talk · Edits 02:15, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
16. Support Strongly support, simply because this helps mark a fresh start for the wiki after the 9/9 drama that not only ended up tainting the reputations of the former Board of Directors, but the reputation of the "Closing Logos Group" name as well (on top of other past incidents). Besides, it better reflects what the wiki has than the previous name. SHADOWNINJA (talk) 02:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
17. Support CalvinWilkerson (talk) 02:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
18. Support While I was team "Production Logos Wiki" at first, this is clearly the more popular name and for good reason. It's read grown on me. I like that it's actually pronounceable, it's a little awkward to say "CLG Wiki" out loud. Even if the former BoD's threats towards us keeping the name are fake, I feel a rename is a good choice moving forward so that we can shed our past and THAT whole debacle. I have had people on Twitter mock and attempt to "ratio" me whenever I mention the wiki as to why I know about logos because our current name has become synonymous to outsiders with scary logos and Klasky Csupo edits. The rename will make us far less of a joke.

    Though... insert Avid Home Entertainment joke here haha. AlmightyKingPrawn (talk)

19. Support This name works just fine for this wiki! --DisneyInternationalFan (talk) 04:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
20. Support If this is a new name for wiki, then the entire design to be rebranded as its modern look. I'm looking forward to it! FeMC/Minako Arisato (talk) 07:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
21. Support As described by me in the "Preparing for a new CLG Wiki" thread (originally SonicFan91), I think the name fits this wiki more than "CLG Wiki". It can also help us be less associated with heavy drama involved with this wiki (i.e. Cokeburst, DLC, etc.). Nova (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
22. Support Very good name. Much catchier than saying "CLG Wiki" (a name that, while certainly iconic at one time, has now been tainted, and doesn't roll off the tongue as well anyway). Plus, a great way to finally be able to be taken seriously. Trevor807 (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
23. Support I Like this name. It's a fresh breath of air from the original name. Poocian (talk)
24. Support This feels like the best place for the site to go, it allows us to place the controversy of the old BoD behind us as well. Long live AVID MinistrycraftEntertainment (talk) 02:29, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
25. Support Has a nice ring to it, honestly. Works pretty nicely, and a fitting way to start a new era for the wiki. RobowilOFFICIAL (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
26. Support i mean, its better than having the name "closing logos" while there are some of them. AVID will better much suit us throughout. and also while i have no logo concepts, the best concept is probably plasticitys one imo. User:KinnardASDF (KinnardASDF0 07:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
27. Support i like it but the database is not that good but the fact that this removed the drama from clg wiki is good G23M08 (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
28. Support A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! BootScreenFanatic 19:27 PM UTC+2; 26 September 2022
29. Support The time for the CLG name to be retired is long overdue. Bring on AVID! CrazySpruiker2001 (talk) 04:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Abstain (1)

1.  Abstain While AVID is a valid and recommendable new name, I don't think we should rush to rebranding just yet, because Stephen still hasn't responded to requests for legal proof of the private or shared ownership over CLG and related trademarks (with Matthew and others who claim to own them). In fact, CLG Wiki is nearly untrademarkable due to similar trademarks for the symbol held by law groups, and the acronym being better known than the full name, allowing us to circumvent a possible lawsuit by claiming it's "Company" Logos Group and not "Closing" Logos Group (the full name has been the only trademarked element so far). This is why I am staying on neutral ground and abstaining. Pantsmode (talk) 12:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Oppose (1)

1. Oppose I don't think this name would serve as a good name. A): AVID Technologies, Inc. can sue us if we use the name AVID. B): Some people may like it, but they want it different, which is my case here. And I don't support it because, I think the other option (AVIA) is better sounding than this one. EvelynFriedrich (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   Procedural point, I maintain my neutrality however, AVID Technologies, Inc. cannot sue this wiki for using a similar name. For a lawsuit to be valid, this wiki would have to be competing in the same industry as them. That is how we have various companies sharing the same or a similar name yet never getting into disputes with each other, as they operate in different industries. Agent Isai (talk) 01:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   Just to be safe, this disclaimer could be put at the bottom: "Not affiliated with AVID Technologies, Inc." DaVinci101 (talk) 18:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

2. Oppose People know us as CLG wiki, and AVID is copyrighted, so no name change. Robloxfan999 (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   Read the text above you. Metronome (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

3. Oppose While AVID might be a good name, it could lead to a copuple of things:

   • 1) AVID Technologies, Inc. might effectively sue this wiki, like Evelyn Friedrich-senpai stated, unless this lawsuit would be invalid like Agent Isai stated in his Procedural Point.
   • 2) "AVID" has more results on Google (alone) than "CLG" does, which would mean that this wiki could mean that this wiki would be IDK "less searcheable"

   • A solution would be using the name "AVID Wiki", but that would be redundant somehow

   I would marked my opinion as either "Oppose" or "Strong Oppose", but it's understandable that we, as a community, want to "leave the past behind" by dropping the CLG name.

   Setrki Desu (talk) 01:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC) // SETRKI DESHITA

   If the wiki changes its name, then all results for the old CLG name would redirect here. Plus, people can type "AVID wiki" or "AVID logo", to find the wiki. Dreamcast99 (talk) 01:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   Hmm... that's what I suspected. Setrki Desu (talk) Setrki Desu (talk) 01:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC) // SETRKI DESHITA

4. Oppose As described in a forum post I made, I actually dislike the "AVID" name. The meaning of the acronym feels awkward and doesn't describe the purpose of this site too well. "Audiovisual" points to both sound and visuals. There are many logos that have no music or sound. Not to mention it also represents electronic media, which doesn't just define film, television, and video games, but also slide-tape presentations, church services, and live theater productions, none of which have relations with production logos. "Identity" makes the acronym feel jumbled up and just doesn't feel like a good word to describe logos. "Audiovisual", alongside "Identity", seems to focus more on electronics and what components do they have rather than logos. I will admit it does sounds more smooth and refreshing, but that's about it. Camenati (talk)

Proposal 2 (AVIA)

This wiki will change its name to AVIA which stands for "Audiovisual Identity Authority".

Support (2)

1. Support I strongly support this name, as it's for me, the best option, because there aren't any issues regarding the ownership of this particular name (AVIA) and it's more catchy in my opinion, and I feel this IS THE NEW NAME for this wiki. Goodbye CLG, hello AVIA. EvelynFriedrich (talk) 01:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   It sounds like a certain airline. (Visit my talk page!) 01:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

2. Support The AVIA name is the way to go. --Snappy (talk) 21:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Oppose (2)

1. Oppose I don't think this exactly paints the right image for the wiki...It sounds like what we're trying to leave behind. ShanuJackal (talk) 00:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments (2)

This could also be tweaked to Audiovisual Identity Alliance. (which, TBH is what I remember it being when it was originally proposed, not sure when it became "Authority") Talk · Edits 01:18, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Nancer declared that the second A in AVIA stood for Authority hence this. Agent Isai (talk) 01:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 3 (Status quo)

This wiki retains its current name of "Closing Logos Group" (CLG).

Support (3)

1. Support No need to throw away brand equity. Thatvhstapeguy (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
2. Support I like our current name just fine. I've always known it as CLG Wiki, and unless the former admins have proof that they own the CLG trademark, we don't need to rebrand. CLG Wiki belongs to all of us. Buzzfan120 (talk) 02:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
3. Support Definitely would support this. (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 4 (GDE) (attempt 1 GDG)

This wiki will change its name to GDE which stands for "Graphic Design Enthusiast" (GDE).

Oppose (4)

1. Oppose Just, what??? No thanks. ShanuJackal (talk) 01:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
2. Oppose A good sounding name, although I think it might be too broad for our wiki's purposes. Talk · Edits 01:37, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
3. Oppose Somewhat a decent name, but it is too broad and the word "Group" is out-of-date. Dreamcast99 (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
4. Oppose Sorry but "Graphic Design Enthusiast" sounds too broad. "Graphic Design Group" sounds like a logo agency. Logohub (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

What????? "Graphic Design Enthusiast" doesn't seem like agood title for this website. This is for COMPANY LOGOS, not graphic designing. I'm sorry, but I'll have to oppose this one.

Comments (4)

"Graphic Design Enthusiast" sounds more like its describing one person, rather than a collective/group. Luke2505 (talk) 02:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 5 (AVLG)

This wiki will change its name to a better-enhanced version of the original name, that better reflects the current purposes (Audio Visual Logos Group)

Support (5)

1. Support I dunno, I guess it's okay??? Still think AVID's better. Nothing against you. ShanuJackal (talk) 01:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
2. Support It's an OK name, and would be good if we chose to evolve the CLG name. But it is also a bit limiting. So I will put a weak support in. I'd be fine if that was the name, but it is not my number one option. No offense, of course. Dreamcast99 (talk)
3. SupportIt's ok, I guess. Still not gonna be the same as CLG...... You know what??? I don't know.....

-Strxwberriesrweird

Proposal 6 (CLG - no acronym)

Keep CLG, but drop the full "closing logos group" name and replace the existing logo.

Support (6)

1. Support yeah, this is good. Robloxfan999 (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
2. Support I support this name, considering it still keeps the "CLG" name. Honestly, going for something more drastic may leave people feeling confused or naïve, and I personally like that name generally. So yeah, strong support here. (talk) 12:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

   I support the name, too. Speedy Cervhiche (talk) 12:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

3. Support I'm ok with this, as long as we keep the "CLG" part of the name. Buzzfan120 (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposal 7 (CIL - Company Intro Library)

Support (7)

1. Support I like the name, it's unique, it's also recognizable. JalvinGaming

Comments (7)

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