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{{Archive top|Closing as '''failed'''. [[User:HibiscusCrown20|HibiscusCrown20]] ([[User talk:HibiscusCrown20|talk]]) 14:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)}}
==Remove the moderation extension?==
==Remove the moderation extension?==
I'm going to be really honest here; as efficient and successful the feature is, I highly think that its making editing on the wiki a lot more difficult. Not because the staff take their time (massive respect to them), this goes for the forums as well, it's very easy to get your edit mixed up with others considering there is so much sent to the queue and it can regardless get lost by mistake, meaning all the effort you put in your edit has basically been discarded and it is quite painful really. This may go for uploading images also in this same manner. I get that it's to prevent any sockpuppets and trolls from entering here, but I think implementing a feature that checks, detects, investigates and confirms your identity as you create a new account could work separately as well.
I'm going to be really honest here; as efficient and successful the feature is, I highly think that its making editing on the wiki a lot more difficult. Not because the staff take their time (massive respect to them), this goes for the forums as well, it's very easy to get your edit mixed up with others considering there is so much sent to the queue and it can regardless get lost by mistake, meaning all the effort you put in your edit has basically been discarded and it is quite painful really. This may go for uploading images also in this same manner. I get that it's to prevent any sockpuppets and trolls from entering here, but I think implementing a feature that checks, detects, investigates and confirms your identity as you create a new account could work separately as well.
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#:Ladies and Gentlemen, please allow image reaction on RfC now! [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 09:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#:Ladies and Gentlemen, please allow image reaction on RfC now! [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 09:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#::No [[User:NancerAVID|NancerAVID]] ([[User talk:NancerAVID|talk]]) 11:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#::No [[User:NancerAVID|NancerAVID]] ([[User talk:NancerAVID|talk]]) 11:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#::Yeah, lets stop. --[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] ([[User talk:Raidarr|talk]]) 12:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#::Yeah no, from here on out staff will remove them. [[File:Eternity Media Group Wordmark.png|100px|link=User:EternityMediaGroup]] ([[User Talk:EternityMediaGroup|Lets chat!]]) 12:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#:::sorry about that [[File:JrStudios Logo .png|150px|link=User:JrStudios]]([[User talk:JrStudios|Talk!]]) 12:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} No [[User:ForcedExcess26|ForcedExcess26]] ([[User talk:ForcedExcess26|talk]]) 21:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} No [[User:ForcedExcess26|ForcedExcess26]] ([[User talk:ForcedExcess26|talk]]) 21:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}}, as the best we can do in identity checking is thru stewards with [[AVID:Requests for CheckUser]], and the only reasoning that you've provided is that it makes the forums harder to edit, with the only support vote literally being "I don’t like waiting". From our (staff's) perspective, the Moderation extension has done exactly what we needed it to do. We've cut back on vandalism significantly, and I've personally seen very little complaining beyond this RFC. In short, I don't think this proposal was thought out enough, leaving me with little choice but to oppose. [[File:Eternity Media Group Wordmark.png|100px|link=User:EternityMediaGroup]] ([[User Talk:EternityMediaGroup|Lets chat!]]) 21:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}}, as the best we can do in identity checking is thru stewards with [[AVID:Requests for CheckUser]], and the only reasoning that you've provided is that it makes the forums harder to edit, with the only support vote literally being "I don’t like waiting". From our (staff's) perspective, the Moderation extension has done exactly what we needed it to do. We've cut back on vandalism significantly, and I've personally seen very little complaining beyond this RFC. In short, I don't think this proposal was thought out enough, leaving me with little choice but to oppose. [[File:Eternity Media Group Wordmark.png|100px|link=User:EternityMediaGroup]] ([[User Talk:EternityMediaGroup|Lets chat!]]) 21:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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# {{Oppose}} per EMG. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} per EMG. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 21:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} Why would you want to throw a perfectly good system designed to combat vandalism out the window? The staff team sees nothing wrong with the Moderation extension, and I see no one else complaining about the length of time it takes to approve edits. No edits are being "lost" here, there is no feasible way for this to happen unless some glitch with the extension (less than 1% chance of that happening) occurs. I must oppose with that reasoning. [[User:Compooper|Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} Why would you want to throw a perfectly good system designed to combat vandalism out the window? The staff team sees nothing wrong with the Moderation extension, and I see no one else complaining about the length of time it takes to approve edits. No edits are being "lost" here, there is no feasible way for this to happen unless some glitch with the extension (less than 1% chance of that happening) occurs. I must oppose with that reasoning. [[User:Compooper|Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
#:I mean someone could fat-finger the reject button by mistake, especially if moderating via mobile. Even then, it is possible to go back in the logs and un-reject the edit. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''([[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]])''''' 13:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} YouKonade, please stop, i have prayed to close this proposal as fast as possible. [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 14:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} YouKonade, please stop, i have prayed to close this proposal as fast as possible. [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 14:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
#:Heh? [[User:YouKonade|YouKonade]] ([[User talk:YouKonade|talk]]) 17:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
#:Heh? [[User:YouKonade|YouKonade]] ([[User talk:YouKonade|talk]]) 17:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
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#::::Oh, sorry, Eternity, you're right. [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 15:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
#::::Oh, sorry, Eternity, you're right. [[User:Ashley Taylor|Ashley Taylor ft. Cure Finale (soulbond) and Raboot (pet)]] ([[User talk:Ashley Taylor|talk]]) 15:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} NO. [[User:Azeem4Hadzrie|Azeem4Hadzrie]] ([[User talk:Azeem4Hadzrie|talk]]) 09:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} NO. [[User:Azeem4Hadzrie|Azeem4Hadzrie]] ([[User talk:Azeem4Hadzrie|talk]]) 09:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}}. If I could still oppose strongly I would. Moderation is one of the best things we ever implemented here in terms of admin tools. Just check the user report archives if you want proof of how effective it’s been. We used to get 40, 50 sometimes even 60 reports a month. In April we had 15. Three of which were retracted. The rest were mostly minor rule breaks and typical newbie mistakes. That’s what happens when we’re able to nip all the major stuff in the bud. It’s made our jobs way easier and it’s making AVID a better place to be. As for stuff being lost, that shouldn’t be an issue. Even if someone does accidentally reject a good edit, we can go back through the log and retroactively approve it if necessary. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''([[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]])''''' 13:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

===Comments===
===Comments===
# I don't think I structured this well... [[File:Presentation6666666.gif|162px|link=User:YouKonade]] 20:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
# I don't think I structured this well... [[File:Presentation6666666.gif|162px|link=User:YouKonade]] 20:42, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
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#:What you said near the end was my main grudge of the moderation extension. Not that this may happen often; it's losing what you worked on that's pinning me on the head. [[User:YouKonade|YouKonade]] ([[User talk:YouKonade|talk]]) 07:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
#:What you said near the end was my main grudge of the moderation extension. Not that this may happen often; it's losing what you worked on that's pinning me on the head. [[User:YouKonade|YouKonade]] ([[User talk:YouKonade|talk]]) 07:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
#::This is something that should be kept in mind when the RfC is closed: thinking of how to minimize data loss in processing edits. I can't think of any major changes off the top of my head aside from advising everyone with the power to be careful. On your end, for AVID and really for anywhere: I strongly suggest backing up edits to local storage before submitting, especially important ones. The chance of loss is always there, be it an issue with edit review, an unexpected failure in the server, or even something on your end. --[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] ([[User talk:Raidarr|talk]]) 16:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
#::This is something that should be kept in mind when the RfC is closed: thinking of how to minimize data loss in processing edits. I can't think of any major changes off the top of my head aside from advising everyone with the power to be careful. On your end, for AVID and really for anywhere: I strongly suggest backing up edits to local storage before submitting, especially important ones. The chance of loss is always there, be it an issue with edit review, an unexpected failure in the server, or even something on your end. --[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] ([[User talk:Raidarr|talk]]) 16:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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