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{{Archive top|Closing with the following consensus:
*{{Approved|Passed}} for removing mentions of the word "expect" and only allow confirmed appearances in the availability section;
*{{Rejected|Failed}} for renaming the section. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 07:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)}}
After talks in forums, it is decided that this RfC has been created. This RfC is to state that the changes ʃall be to: completely obliterate the use of the word "expect" and state that only confirmed appearances can go in the section, and to change the name to either "Appearances" or "Confirmed Appearances" to comply with the new reformations. [[User:-InfintyRoberts-|∞~𝙄𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮-𝙍𝙤𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙨~∞]] ([[User talk:-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝙏𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚꧂]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙗𝙨꧂]]) 15:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
After talks in forums, it is decided that this RfC has been created. This RfC is to state that the changes ʃall be to: completely obliterate the use of the word "expect" and state that only confirmed appearances can go in the section, and to change the name to either "Appearances" or "Confirmed Appearances" to comply with the new reformations. [[User:-InfintyRoberts-|∞~𝙄𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮-𝙍𝙤𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙨~∞]] ([[User talk:-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝙏𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚꧂]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙗𝙨꧂]]) 15:04, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


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#{{Support}} for the restructuring and the removal of "Don't expect" and similar phrases (see below for second part). While I'm here, I'm also going to throw in my hat in the ring with my own proposal - a more stringent and rigorous means of determining the appearance "tiers", because I have been seeing more logos lately showing up as "rare" or even "near extinction" despite them not really being hard to find or rare with some effort and cash...only because they show up on prints from the 80s or 90s on VHS or something like that. We need a serious reworking of how to determine which logos really are rare and which people are only saying are "rare" because they're old - because otherwise, we're only making rare logos for the sake of them. As for how to deal with that, we could work that through in a separate RfC. [[User:Solarstrike|Solarstrike]] ([[User talk:Solarstrike|talk]]) 16:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Support}} for the restructuring and the removal of "Don't expect" and similar phrases (see below for second part). While I'm here, I'm also going to throw in my hat in the ring with my own proposal - a more stringent and rigorous means of determining the appearance "tiers", because I have been seeing more logos lately showing up as "rare" or even "near extinction" despite them not really being hard to find or rare with some effort and cash...only because they show up on prints from the 80s or 90s on VHS or something like that. We need a serious reworking of how to determine which logos really are rare and which people are only saying are "rare" because they're old - because otherwise, we're only making rare logos for the sake of them. As for how to deal with that, we could work that through in a separate RfC. [[User:Solarstrike|Solarstrike]] ([[User talk:Solarstrike|talk]]) 16:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
# For the restructuring part, {{Support|Strongest}}, but... [[File:CalvinWilkerson-transformed.png|300px|link=User:CalvinWilkerson]]([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|The Third Place]]) 16:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
# For the restructuring part, {{Support|Strongest}}, but... [[File:CalvinWilkerson-transformed.png|300px|link=User:CalvinWilkerson]]([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|The Third Place]]) 16:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} for restructuring. This is what the site has needed for a long time, but... [[User:Dominicmgm|Dominicmgm]] ([[User talk:Dominicmgm|talk]]) 04:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} Absolutely Yes. "Editor's Note" became "Legacy", "FX/SFX" became "Technique", why not this? [[User:PokeRapMonster|PokeRapMonster]] ([[User talk:PokeRapMonster|talk]]) 07:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Support}} '''For the restructuring bit''' I think the Availability section can do with a restructure! [[User:Sickminecraft45|Sickminecraft45]] ([[User talk:Sickminecraft45|talk]]) 04:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


===Abstain===
===Abstain===
#{{Abstain}} I feel like the "Availability" section should be split in 2 - "Current Appearances" and "Past Appearances". '''Current Appearances''' would include sightings of a logo anyone could go out and source in the present day, for example, on TV airings, streaming, home video releases (including older non-current releases, such as VHS tapes) or filmreels. '''Past Appearances''' would include sources where the logos have been seen in the past, but in the present day have either been cut or plastered with a newer logo, or Station Idents, which often go extinct as soon as they are withdrawn from Use. If logos are current or have no known cases of plastering, this section would not be needed. [[User:Luke2505|Luke2505]] ([[User talk:Luke2505|talk]]) 16:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Abstain}} I feel like the "Availability" section should be split in 2 - "Current Appearances" and "Past Appearances". '''Current Appearances''' would include sightings of a logo anyone could go out and source in the present day, for example, on TV airings, streaming, home video releases (including older non-current releases, such as VHS tapes) or filmreels. '''Past Appearances''' would include sources where the logos have been seen in the past, but in the present day have either been cut or plastered with a newer logo, or Station Idents, which often go extinct as soon as they are withdrawn from Use. If logos are current or have no known cases of plastering, this section would not be needed. [[User:Luke2505|Luke2505]] ([[User talk:Luke2505|talk]]) 16:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#:To add to this, the Past Appereances section would also get rid of the "don't expect to see this..." as a result. [[User:Luke2505|Luke2505]] ([[User talk:Luke2505|talk]]) 16:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#:To add to this, the Past Appereances section would also get rid of the "don't expect to see this..." as a result. [[User:Luke2505|Luke2505]] ([[User talk:Luke2505|talk]]) 16:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#::Could do, I guess. [[User:Gilby1385|Gilby1385]] ([[User talk:Gilby1385|talk]]) 14:51, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Abstain}} for the renaming part. [[File:CalvinWilkerson-transformed.png|300px|link=User:CalvinWilkerson]]([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|The Third Place]]) 16:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Abstain}} for the renaming part. [[File:CalvinWilkerson-transformed.png|300px|link=User:CalvinWilkerson]]([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|The Third Place]]) 16:11, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Abstain}} '''for the renaming''' I think the ''Availability'' name should stay so I'm abstaining from the renaming part. [[User:Sickminecraft45|Sickminecraft45]] ([[User talk:Sickminecraft45|talk]]) 04:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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#{{Oppose|strong}} for rename per Logohub. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 16:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|strong}} for rename per Logohub. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 16:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|weak}} for the renaming. I don't really care either way, but I feel it's fine as well as per Logohub; but if there's strong arguments in favor of a rename that come up, I could be swayed in favor of it. [[User:Solarstrike|Solarstrike]] ([[User talk:Solarstrike|talk]]) 16:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|weak}} for the renaming. I don't really care either way, but I feel it's fine as well as per Logohub; but if there's strong arguments in favor of a rename that come up, I could be swayed in favor of it. [[User:Solarstrike|Solarstrike]] ([[User talk:Solarstrike|talk]]) 16:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#:"Appearances" is a better name than "Availability", in my opinion.
===Comments===
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#:• "Availability" does not define the presence or appearance of a logo, and adds too much of the overused word "expect".
#:• The word "Appearances" defines it way better than "Availability", and completely ditches the use of the word "expect" in all forms. Therefore, it also looks more concise in my opinion. [[User:-InfintyRoberts-|∞~𝙄𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮-𝙍𝙤𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙨~∞]] ([[User talk:-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝙏𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚꧂]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙗𝙨꧂]]) 16:31, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} We don't need to rename the section, but we ''still can'' rid the section of "Don't expect this to appear on" sentences. [[User:IAmThe789Guy|IAmThe789Guy]] ([[User talk:IAmThe789Guy|talk]]) 16:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} for the renaming. Per everyone above. Luke2505's idea is good, but splitting it into 2 different sections isn't necessary as it may be a little too complicated to understand ("Current Appearances" sounds like availability on ongoing/recent media more than sightings on newer prints) and the old one is more concise to use. Rather, past and confirmed appearances can be in different sub-sections in the Availability section. [[User:Camenati|Camenati]] ([[User talk:Camenati|talk]]) 16:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
#:I'd be open to ideas on better names for that - also they could be subheadings under "Availability" rather than 2 separate sections. I think there is definitely a need, especially on certain pages, to clearly define sources where a logo can be found on prints currently in circulation vs sources the logo used to appear on but no longer does. As an example, the Viacom page is something that could seriously use this revamp. Certain logos (especially the syndication ones such as the V of Doom, V of Steel and Wigga Wigga) seem to have current and past sightings all mashed into one, which has only gotten worse in recent times when CBS have been issuing remastered prints of shows which replace the Viacom logos with their own. This can make it particularly hard for a reader to determine where they may be able to see these logos if they wanted to look for them. [[User:Luke2505|Luke2505]] ([[User talk:Luke2505|talk]]) 17:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose|Strong}} for the rename. The name is fine as-is. [[User:Dominicmgm|Dominicmgm]] ([[User talk:Dominicmgm|talk]]) 04:47, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
# {{Oppose|Strongest}} I liked the availability section the way it is and the Don't expect ones are also really good. [[User:Sonictailsknucklesshadow|Sonictailsknucklesshadow]] ([[User talk:Sonictailsknucklesshadow|talk]]) 12:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
#:"Don't expect" phrases are overused. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 15:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|Strongest}} - we don't need to rename everything for the sake of renaming. [[User:Thatvhstapeguy|Thatvhstapeguy]] ([[User talk:Thatvhstapeguy|talk]]) 21:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
#:What about the restructuring part? Is there anything you have against the removal of the overused word "expect"? [[User:-InfintyRoberts-|∞~𝙄𝙣𝙛𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙩𝙮-𝙍𝙤𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙩𝙨~∞]] ([[User talk:-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝙏𝙖𝙡𝙠 𝙋𝙖𝙜𝙚꧂]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/-InfintyRoberts-|꧁𝘾𝙤𝙣𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙗𝙨꧂]]) 14:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
#{{Oppose|Strongest}} It already had a reconstruction and no rename because the old name is fine, so why bother? [[User:BaldiBasicsFan|BaldiBasicsFan]] ([[User talk:BaldiBasicsFan|talk]]) 19:42, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


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