AVID:Requests for Comment/Restructure the RfC Voting System

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Closing with the following conclusions:

• Proposal 1: Passed
• Proposal 2: Failed

Logohub (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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I feel like, with the current RfC system, there isn't a clear reason for "strongest support" and other variations to exist, for as far as I'm aware, they only count as 1 point. I am going to make 2 proposals here for potential improvements to the system. (Lets chat!) 12:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

1. Remove all variants of Support and Oppose

Under this proposal, the voting system would be limited to just Support, Oppose and Abstain. This would also curb the usage of extended "Strongest Support" intros.

Support (1)

1. Support I feel like it's simpler and fairer than the points-based proposal or having different different types of "Support" and "Oppose". · Talk · Edits 12:22, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
2. Support That works. A large amount of opposing points may negate a strong argument because of the usage of the strongest values. However I'd much rather keep the Strongly support/oppose ones. Compooper (talk) 12:42, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
3. Support per Trevor. Logohub (talk) 12:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
4. Support I agree. "Strongest" is too hyperbolic and it doesn't serve much of a point overall. I can see with "strong" and "weak" to express how people really feel about certain RFCs, but with "strongly", "strongest", and "weakly", they just don't make a lot of sense and add no value to one position other than "I like/hate this idea as humanely possible!", sometimes with no clear reason to support such an exaggerated argument. Unlike the other RFC, this one feels more reasonable to consider since there are a lot of these variants that have no purpose other than silly jokes. Camenati (talk)
5. Support Simple to use and deal with, works fine for me :) VPJHuk (talk) 19:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Abstain (1)

 Abstain On one hand it would definitely make it easier to tell which is which, but on the other hand it is kind of bland and when you really wanna show you support an idea with a passion, you just can't. (• USER TALK! •) 00:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose (1)

1. Oppose since Sonic the Hedgehog was released on June 23, 1991. (The Third Place) 12:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

   how is sonic being released an "oppose" NancerAVID (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

   any reason or do you just like clogging up the page with extended comments? (Lets chat!) 12:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

   And shouldn't it be " Support since Sonic the Hedgehog was released on June 23, 1991."? SomeGuy (name change coming soon) (talk) 01:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

   I'd rather you two settle this on a talk page or this RFC instead of (in a nutshell) crying about it here. (• USER TALK! •) 13:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

   Forgive me, I just see this as one of the areas of the wiki where a far more professional, serious approach should be taken, seeing as these votes can completely alter the wiki in one way or another. The massive comments take away from this, and I want to see them removed at this point. (Lets chat!) 14:30, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

   I take it you're not a Sonic fan? · Talk · Edits 05:42, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

   i am lmao (rebrand coming soon probably) (The Third Place) 13:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

   I was joking.

   So what is your rationale for the oppose anyway? · Talk · Edits 17:47, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments (1)

Will we still be able to do (Support|other|TEXT HERE)? (• USER TALK! •) 05:14, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Not under this proposal, as it defeats the point of removing the others in the first place. (Lets chat!) 14:19, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, it wouldn't as when you do that it still counts as 1 Support, 1 Abstain, and 1 Oppose. (• USER TALK! •) 15:01, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

part of the reason of this is to remove the lengthy Intros (Lets chat!) 10:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

2. Make each level of support/oppose have a point value.

As above, this will allow for each variant of support to have a point value equal to its level of strength.

• Weak support and oppose is worth 1/2 a point.
• Standard support and oppose is worth 1 point.
• Strong support and oppose is worth 2 points.
• Strongest support and oppose is worth 3 points.
• Abstain votes are worth no points as usual.

Support (2)

Support This may be a better plan of action than the original one, but I'm not sure. AlmightyKingPrawn (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2023 (UTC) Support I think this is much better than the current system and suggestion 1. Sickminecraft45 (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose (2)

Oppose It will be unfair in multiple cases since the dishonest "strongest votes" will ultimately win over the honest ones (e.g. two "strongest supports" over five "standard opposes" does not work). Plus, this system is really easy to abuse. Users will make sure the side they're on receives as much points as possible by picking the "strongest" variant every time. Camenati (talk) 20:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per Camenati. · Talk · Edits 00:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments (2)

 Comment: According to my Outlaw section removal RFC, Hibiscus closed it as fail because of the majority of Oppose and Abstains (at first), so clearly they do have some sort of role. Also, don't they decide no consensus? (• USER TALK! •) 00:21, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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