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:The following discussion is closed. '''Please do not modify it'''. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
::That's a wrap! Here are the results from the voting:
:*Additions Suggestion 1: Pass.
:*Additions Suggestion 2: Pass.
:*Additions Suggestion 3: Pass.
:*Additions Suggestion 3.1: Pass.
:*Additions Suggestion 4: Pass.
:*Additions Suggestion 5: Pass.
:*Removals Suggestion 1: Pass.
:*Removals Suggestion 2: Pass.
:*Removals Suggestion 3: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 1: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 2: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 2.1: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 3: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 3.1: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 3.2: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 4: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 4.1: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 5: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 6: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 7: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 8: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 9: Failed.
:*Modifications Suggestion 10: Pass.
:*Modifications Suggestion 11: Pass.

All of the passed rules will be implemented in the rewrite of our site rules. Thank you to everyone who voted on the rule changes! [[User:HibiscusCrown20|HibiscusCrown20]] ([[User talk:HibiscusCrown20|talk]]) 03:49, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Now that the discussions phase of the rules reform has closed, it's time to vote on the suggestions you the community suggested! [[User:HibiscusCrown20|HibiscusCrown20]] ([[User talk:HibiscusCrown20|talk]]) 22:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Now that the discussions phase of the rules reform has closed, it's time to vote on the suggestions you the community suggested! [[User:HibiscusCrown20|HibiscusCrown20]] ([[User talk:HibiscusCrown20|talk]]) 22:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Yes. There definitely needs to be some rules about the forums. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Yes. There definitely needs to be some rules about the forums. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{support}} Fair enough. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 13:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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# {{Support|strong}} The reason why I opposed the rename from Editor's Note to Legacy is because I felt that a rename wouldn't change anything and we needed better rules instead. I'm not sure if it should be as strict as Trevor says, as this wiki has a unique personality that I don't want to get thrown out, but some rules similar to YMMV on TV Tropes would work. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} The reason why I opposed the rename from Editor's Note to Legacy is because I felt that a rename wouldn't change anything and we needed better rules instead. I'm not sure if it should be as strict as Trevor says, as this wiki has a unique personality that I don't want to get thrown out, but some rules similar to YMMV on TV Tropes would work. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} This is a great idea. It is literally called "Legacy". Being too opinionated, mentioning how scary, or mentioning how cheesy a logo is doesn’t fit a section referring to a logo's legacy, unless the logo is known for being scary and/or cheesy. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:23, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strongest}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Legacy should be its own thing. Although I'd like Editor's Notes to return. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
#:{{Support|Strongest}} '''''all the way''''' [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support}} [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 13:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} definitely needs more guidelines on how to use this section, so users wouldn't lazily state "this logo is great" etc. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "Why not a rule directed towards redirects? Specifically, no redundant redirects. This includes slight variations of a company's name (i.e. Ragdoll Productions' redirected page is simply called Ragdoll) or those that has a country name next to it. Some admins have took note of this and removed many as this has clogged up the search engine. To add on that, it makes navigating between pages more confusing, especially now that some lead to dead pages that were deleted a few days ago. I think only former names of a company or their acronym are acceptable, but not those that are too similar to the original page's name."
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "Why not a rule directed towards redirects? Specifically, no redundant redirects. This includes slight variations of a company's name (i.e. Ragdoll Productions' redirected page is simply called Ragdoll) or those that has a country name next to it. Some admins have took note of this and removed many as this has clogged up the search engine. To add on that, it makes navigating between pages more confusing, especially now that some lead to dead pages that were deleted a few days ago. I think only former names of a company or their acronym are acceptable, but not those that are too similar to the original page's name."
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===Support===
# {{Support|strong}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} I've definitely had problems like these in the past with other wikis. I'd like an organized look on the wiki, and not get it cluttered with 10 pages that are the same with slight variations on the title/description. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:18, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{support}} Already a general policy on most wikis, why not this one? [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 13:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "I would say grammatical variations should be accepted too, like if a company has a hyphen in their name we should be able to have a hyphenless redirect to make it easier to search and link that page. "
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "I would say grammatical variations should be accepted too, like if a company has a hyphen in their name we should be able to have a hyphenless redirect to make it easier to search and link that page. "
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===Support===
# {{support|weak}} This is done on Wikipedia. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 13:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support}} I think grammatical variations should be allowed. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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# {{Abstain}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
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==Suggestion 4 - Restrict or hide captures of NSFW logos and forbid videos of logos containing jumpscares (Pingu)==
==Suggestion 4 - Reinstate "No predictions" and "No low-quality pictures" rules (CooleyBoy10)==
'''Suggestions and reasoning from user:''' "Mature (NSFW) images and videos should be restricted or hidden behind spoiler tags. There should be no videos for entries that involve shocking content like jumpscares, for safety reasons. Further reading: [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/ExampleSectionectomy|https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/ExampleSectionectomy]"
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# {{Oppose}} Except for MTV Asia's "Food For Thought" and the logos with particularly pornographic imagery (the latter of which aren't really linked to the wiki much anyways so much as just described with a picture of the final logo and no video), we don't have anything bad enough on this wiki to be balked at by the TV Tropes P3. The markers are sufficient. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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==Suggestion 5 - Reinstate "No predictions" and "No low-quality pictures" rules (CooleyBoy10)==
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "There are some rules that used to be on the old wiki that were oddly removed from this version's rules, which I still feel could be of use on here. The two I'm thinking of are no predictions (i.e., say, if NBC got a new logo, and somebody added "This will be first seen on [random show] on [random date]") and only add that IF/WHEN it actually happens, and no low-quality pictures (so nothing with Bandicam watermarks, YouTube artifacts, etc.)."
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "There are some rules that used to be on the old wiki that were oddly removed from this version's rules, which I still feel could be of use on here. The two I'm thinking of are no predictions (i.e., say, if NBC got a new logo, and somebody added "This will be first seen on [random show] on [random date]") and only add that IF/WHEN it actually happens, and no low-quality pictures (so nothing with Bandicam watermarks, YouTube artifacts, etc.)."
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{{Support|strong}} ''', this is a great idea!''' The "No predictions" rule should '''definitely''' be enforced more, let's say, hypothetically, someone says the current [[Sega Films]] logo could appear on ''Sonic the Hedgehog 3'', come 2024, and Sega introduces a new film logo instead. Yeah, predicting a logo's appearance on one of the company's future productions is not very wise. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 22:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} ''', this is a great idea!''' The "No predictions" rule should '''definitely''' be enforced more, let's say, hypothetically, someone says the current [[Sega Films]] logo could appear on ''Sonic the Hedgehog 3'', come 2024, and Sega introduces a new film logo instead. Yeah, predicting a logo's appearance on one of the company's future productions is not very wise. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 22:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
* {{support|Strongest}} Same as Nova. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 22:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support|Strongest}} Same as Nova. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 22:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} These weren't even rules to begin with? No wonder people drive me nuts. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} These weren't even rules to begin with? No wonder people drive me nuts. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} even though I don't remember those rules ever being wound back in the first place [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} even though I don't remember those rules ever being wound back in the first place [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Nova gave good enough reasoning in my opinion. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{Support|strong}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strongest}}. AVID is not a crystal ball. [[User:Dominicmgm|Dominicmgm]] ([[User talk:Dominicmgm|talk]]) 20:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} This is such a great idea, and it definitely ensures professionalism in the wiki, none of that "he said, she said" BS in here. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{Support}} See also WP:CRYSTAL [[User:CalvinWilkerson|CalvinWilkerson]] ([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|talk]]) 13:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support}} [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} ''definitely'' needs to be enforced more. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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==Suggestion 6 - Require sourcing for claims and add a Citations tag similar to Wikipedia's (CooleyBoy10)==
==Suggestion 5 - Require sourcing for claims and add a Citations tag similar to Wikipedia's (CooleyBoy10)==
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "It's possible this rule might be too restrictive or whatever, but I feel like we need a rule about sourcing your claims. What I mean is, if you say "This logo's jingle was composed by this person" or "This company helped produce this logo" or etc., you should add a source backing up that claim. Also IDK if we have a "citation needed" tag like Wikipedia does but we REALLY need that."
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "It's possible this rule might be too restrictive or whatever, but I feel like we need a rule about sourcing your claims. What I mean is, if you say "This logo's jingle was composed by this person" or "This company helped produce this logo" or etc., you should add a source backing up that claim. Also IDK if we have a "citation needed" tag like Wikipedia does but we REALLY need that."
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# {{Support}}.
# {{Support}}.
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|weak}} I agree with AlmightyKingPrawn. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|weak}} I also agree with AKP. It's a good idea in concept, but in practice, it might be difficult. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:32, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{support|weak}} I agree with AKP. Will be hard to find sources but it's possible. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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# {{Abstain}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# No opinion on this. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:02, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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# {{Oppose}} This is a nice sentiment but will be difficult to enforce in practice. How many of the standard publications (newspapers, etc.) even cover nitty-gritty details about graphic design? [[User:Thatvhstapeguy|Thatvhstapeguy]] ([[User talk:Thatvhstapeguy|talk]]) 01:21, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Oppose}} Even citations themselves can be untrue! Unless we know for sure that something has been done by someone, whether by obituary, article, demo reel, etc., I wouldn't put a word about it or who it was presumably done by (did Pixar really re-animate Paramount's stars?). If someone asks for proof for whatever reason, we know where to find it- adding citations to everything would be an extremely lengthy task and there's no guarantee anything stays online forever. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:44, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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'''Reasoning from user:''' "When has THAT ever happened? In any case, I feel it isn't relevant to this wiki in today's world."
'''Reasoning from user:''' "When has THAT ever happened? In any case, I feel it isn't relevant to this wiki in today's world."
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* {{Support|Strongest}} Yeah that rule was an overreaction. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 22:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} Yeah that rule was an overreaction. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 22:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
* {{Support|Strongest}} The reason a rule made for such an obscure Wetpaint era incident was on the Miraheze wiki will forever be unknown. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 23:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} The reason a rule made for such an obscure Wetpaint era incident was on the Miraheze wiki will forever be unknown. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 23:10, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
* {{Support}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} I agree. What is so bad about this? You may be attacked by the person, but that is the only thing I can think of. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} How does this "espionage" work in the first place? I'm curious... [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{support|strongest}} I agree, the rule was extremely silly. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Is that rule another one that the old management came up with? I have no idea. --[[User:Pingu|Pingu]] ([[User talk:Pingu|talk]]) 07:12, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} another unnecessary rule. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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==Suggestion 2 - Remove "Don't edit with text extensions" (CooleyBoy10)==
==Suggestion 2 - Remove "Don't edit with text extensions" (CooleyBoy10)==
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# {{Support}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{Support|Strongest}} '''''in the world''''' --
[[User:20thcenturyfox1981|20thcenturyfox1981]]
([[User talk:20thcenturyfox1981|Talk]]) 11:16, 23 October 2022
# {{Support}} Have never seen this happening. Haven't even heard of it until now! [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{Support}} Everypony needs to talk relatively normally and act normally, with some level of professionalism. But this should be a given, considering the other rules, making this redundant and a byproduct of a (hopefully) bygone era where people role play in every situation. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:50, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support}} [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:04, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Toolbars are mostly a 2000s thing ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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'''Reasoning from user:''' "Is a rule THIS specific necessary?"
'''Reasoning from user:''' "Is a rule THIS specific necessary?"
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# {{Support}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]'''''
# {{Support}}.
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
# {{Abstain}} This is such a weird removal idea. It feels right, but feels wrong at the same time. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Abstain}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Abstain}} I agree with Jecken. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC).

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===Oppose===
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'''Reasoning from user:''' "Irrelevant Content: I feel like it should be rewritten to provide more relevant examples, such as about the off topic discussions, maybe we can allow that under certain cases. I also think politics discussions should be added to the list."
'''Reasoning from user:''' "Irrelevant Content: I feel like it should be rewritten to provide more relevant examples, such as about the off topic discussions, maybe we can allow that under certain cases. I also think politics discussions should be added to the list."
===Support===
===Support===
{{Support|strongest}} Yes stuff like Ice Level should not be included here [[User:Anticritic12|Anticritic12]] ([[User talk:Anticritic12|talk]]) 22:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strongest}} Yes stuff like Ice Level should not be included here [[User:Anticritic12|Anticritic12]] ([[User talk:Anticritic12|talk]]) 22:59, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{support}} [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:CooleyBoy10|CooleyBoy10]] ([[User talk:CooleyBoy10|talk]]) 20:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
===Comments===
===Comments===

==Suggestion 1.1 - Change rule to allow discussion of non-related logos (Anticritic12)==
'''Suggestion from user:''' "Allow the star wars logo and similar logos"
===Support===
===Abstain===
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{{Oppose|Strongest}} No. Just no. [[User:CalvinWilkerson|CalvinWilkerson]] ([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|talk]]) 01:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

===Comments===
Please don't vote here I regret making this proposal[[User:Anticritic12|Anticritic12]] ([[User talk:Anticritic12|talk]]) 22:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


==Suggestion 2 - Update "No Fake Logos", remove mention of "Hacked Accounts" rule (Compooper)==
==Suggestion 2 - Update "No Fake Logos", remove mention of "Hacked Accounts" rule (Compooper)==
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{{Support}}, the rule 5 mention is a relic of that page's old format before I overhauled it to use headings instead of numbers [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
{{Support}}, the rule 5 mention is a relic of that page's old format before I overhauled it to use headings instead of numbers [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
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===Support===
===Support===


{{Support|Strongest}} Remember that an LDA/CBSEye76 (a former SiIvaGunner-like logo upload channel that is now the official AVID YouTube channel) rip was on the HBO Downtown Productions page at one point.<br>Not a wise move. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 23:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support|Strongest}} Remember that an LDA/CBSEye76 (a former SiIvaGunner-like logo upload channel that is now the official AVID YouTube channel) rip was on the HBO Downtown Productions page at one point.<br>Not a wise move. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 23:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
{{Support}} on principle, however, would suggest some grammatical tweaks. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} on principle, however, would suggest some grammatical tweaks. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
{{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

#:Not just a retitle, but I {{support}} this on the basis that the rule would also be reworked to include fake logos while also talking about fake reports of real ones [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support|Strongest}} Look through a user's uploads and cross reference with other uploads to make sure it's legitimate. Usually it should be pretty clear that it is a fake- if it doesn't exist anywhere else outside of that YouTube video, then it's not real. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:39, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}] ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
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# {{Support|strong}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} More recently, many people have been making blank pages more often. I think this could do a decent job towards people who might create blank pages. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{Support|strong}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{support}} This can easily be enforced with an AbuseFilter. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 14:06, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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'''Suggestion from user:''' "How about something like this? "You may not write descriptions where every section is marked "TBA" either. You should make an effort to describe at least one logo.""
'''Suggestion from user:''' "How about something like this? "You may not write descriptions where every section is marked "TBA" either. You should make an effort to describe at least one logo.""
===Support===
===Support===
{{Support|Strongest}} [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
:{{Support|strong}} [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 16:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
:{{Support|Strongest}} [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
{{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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#{{Support|Strong}}. Would suggest adding the following in particular: "Pages found to be lacking in substance may be moved to draft space"
#{{Support|Strong}}. Would suggest adding the following in particular: "Pages found to be lacking in substance may be moved to draft space"
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Just like modification 3, this could possibly do a good job towards users who would create blank pages. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#:{{Support|Strongest}} YES YES YES [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

===Abstain===
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==Suggestion 4 - Remove mentions of older WikiFoundry-era users (Compooper)==
==Suggestion 4 - Remove mentions of older WikiFoundry-era users (Compooper)==
'''Suggestion from user:''' "BOTH - Don't edit with text extensions & No personal commentary: Remove the mention of a WF-era user"
'''Suggestion from user:''' "BOTH - Don't edit with text extensions & No personal commentary: Remove the mention of a WF-era user"

'''(TO CLARIFY: This is to remove mentions of WikiFoundry users in the rules that sound like we are calling them out for doing something wrong)'''
===Support===
===Support===
#{{Support}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}}. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Some WikiFoundry users may be inactive as of now. I do like this idea, but something feels wrong about it. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#:TO CLARIFY: This is to remove mentions of WikiFoundry users in the rules that sound like we are calling them out for doing something wrong [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 12:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
===Oppose===
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#{{Support}}
#{{Support}}
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} Move on. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

===Abstain===
===Abstain===
# {{Abstain}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#:{{Abstain}} I think the main rule would already do the job [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
===Oppose===
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===Comments===
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===Support===
===Support===
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Yeah. That kind of drama has absolutely nothing to do with the AVID. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} High school drama and social media drama are not the same. One refers to some students' extreme egotism, and the other involves one or two guys getting harassed by some other guys using some pixels on a screen. [[User:Nova|★ Nova]] ([[User talk:Nova|talk]]) 11:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#:{{Support|strong}} I have never seen ANY wiki act like high school before. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 16:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support|strong}} oddly worded and is definitely not the kind of drama you'd find on a wiki. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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# {{Support|strongest}} Let's not let anything like THAT day happen ever again. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strongest}} Let's not let anything like THAT day happen ever again. [[User:AlmightyKingPrawn|AlmightyKingPrawn]] ([[User talk:AlmightyKingPrawn|talk]]) 23:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} especially in light of the events that triggered all of this in the first place. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} especially in light of the events that triggered all of this in the first place. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} It makes total sense for these two rules to be merged together. It feels weird having them as two separate rules. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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===Oppose===
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#{{Support}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} It's a really good way of neatly organizing the rules. It also makes it easier to search for a rule, rather than skimming through the entire page to find said rule. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{Support|Strong}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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# {{Support}} a more Wikipedia-influenced policy in this area. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} a more Wikipedia-influenced policy in this area. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Same as Hb1290. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} Same as Hb1290. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|weak}} It's quite strange that having a second account of any kind isn’t allowed. This feels good to me, however it also feels a bit wrong in my opinion. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[User:CalvinWilkerson|CalvinWilkerson]] ([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|talk]]) 13:17, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
#:{{Support|Strong}} Absolutely! I wonder why we didn't do this sooner [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 13:35, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
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===Oppose===
===Oppose===
===Comments===
===Comments===


==Suggestion 9 - Rename "No Stealing Content to "Don't copy this wiki as your own" (Compooper)==
==Suggestion 9 - Rename "No Stealing Content" to "Don't copy this wiki as your own" (Compooper)==
'''Current rule:''' "The contents of the AVID may be referenced in news articles and other media of the like. However, it is forbidden to deliberately copy any section of this site and label it as your own. Examples include creating another wiki site, copying pages from this site, claiming the pages as your own, and stealing any captures. Doing any of the above actions will automatically result in a '''ban''', and the duplicate site being deleted by Miraheze staff."
'''Current rule:''' "The contents of the AVID may be referenced in news articles and other media of the like. However, it is forbidden to deliberately copy any section of this site and label it as your own. Examples include creating another wiki site, copying pages from this site, claiming the pages as your own, and stealing any captures. Doing any of the above actions will automatically result in a '''ban''', and the duplicate site being deleted by Miraheze staff."


'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "Current rule only talks about duplicating the site, maybe rename it to "Don't copy this wiki as your own""
'''Suggestion and reasoning from user:''' "Current rule only talks about duplicating the site, maybe rename it to "Don't copy this wiki as your own""
===Support===
===Support===
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
===Abstain===
===Abstain===
===Oppose===
===Oppose===
# {{Oppose}} Logokids are never going to stop trying to copy this wiki. In turn, I think that this rule should remain strict as to encourage people to contribute to this site rather than attempting to make their own as to imply that there are repercussions for such an action. There should be a vehement focus on building the site outward as it incorporates more aspects of idents, IDs and bumpers- while other wikis for these purposes have previously existed, the goal is to be an end-all be-all resource for everything regarding AV idents. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 00:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
#:okay but this rule is about renaming it as the current name isn't related to what the rule is actually talking about. that is LITERALLY all there is, i didnt say remove it or rewrite it, i said RENAME it [[User:Compooper|ifyoudarethenpizzait aka Compooper]] ([[User talk:Compooper|talk]]) 00:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
#Not going to lie, I'd actually suggest removing this policy entirely. This is almost impossible to enforce on a practical level. First and foremost, this wiki is licensed by CC BY-SA. With proper attribution I don't see how cloning is a problem. Don't like clones? Change the license. Plus, clones on Miraheze wikis would automatically be forbidden by the current content policy. Hell, even if it was hosted on another site, I'd doubt that the copycat(s) would comply and remove said content. [[User:Blad|Blad]] ([[User talk:Blad|talk]]) 13:54, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 01:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} This is a really good idea, however, I think it should retain the mention of inappropriate content, given the fact that a link to an adult movie was put on [[Mippei Eiga Kiryūkan|a page on this wiki]] once.
# {{Support}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} There are entire accounts that exist solely for the purpose of stripping logos from content. That's basically how I started out before I got my own equipment. If you can't do it yourself, ask someone else to do it. YouTube is known to take things down at random so dead links will crop up as time goes on and it's much safer to have just the logo itself. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 23:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support}} ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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# {{Support|Strongest}} Exactly. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 00:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|Strongest}} Exactly. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 00:37, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} This rule in current form comes across as very passive-aggressive in tone. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
#{{Support}} This rule in current form comes across as very passive-aggressive in tone. [[File:sig.png|100px|link=User:Hb1290]] '''''[[User talk:Hb1290|Talk]]'''''&nbsp;<b>·</b>&#32;'''''[[Special:Contributions/Hb1290|Edits]]''''' 01:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} I agree with AlmightyKingPrawn. It currently sounds too aggressive. [[User:Jecken|Jecken]] ([[User talk:Jecken|talk]]) 03:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} --[[User:DisneyInternationalFan|DisneyInternationalFan]] ([[User talk:DisneyInternationalFan|talk]]) 05:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} "The people who add fuel to the fire are just as bad as the people who started it." This feels uncomfortably personal. [[User:Arfan Eka Diandra|Arfan Eka Diandra]] ([[User talk:Arfan Eka Diandra|talk]]) 10:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC).
# {{Support|strong}} The idea is to not let trolls have anything to feed on in the first place. Drama in these circles has always been extremely petty and childish as long as I've been around- the more you give a chance for a troll to grow and spread its word, the worse we all look. (Hence why I've strongly suggested getting rid of the Discord or heavily limiting its usage, perhaps to act more as a moderator communication tool rather than the school lunchroom it is.) I believe it should remain somewhat aggressive, but softened and more in a "don't do this because it won't end well and as we all know, once you're here, you're here forever so don't burn bridges" kind of way. [[User:DaffyDuck|DaffyDuck]] ([[User talk:DaffyDuck|talk]]) 23:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} Definitely rewrite this rule. Not only is it overly aggressive as everyone here pointed out, but "The people who add fuel to the fire are just as bad as the people who started it."? What? While responding to trolls definitely isn't helpful since it gives them the motivation to continue causing trouble, I don't think responding to trolls is as bad as trolling itself. The users replying to them should at least be reminded to not do that even if the trolls are angering them. [[User:HibiscusCrown20|HibiscusCrown20]] ([[User talk:HibiscusCrown20|talk]]) 18:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
# {{Support|strong}} I agree that it sounds unfriendly in tone. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 16:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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