AVID:Requests for Comment/Rules reform

Additions

Suggestion 1 - (Compooper)

"Maybe some more rules related to the forum could be added."

Suggestion 2 - Trevor807

"Make it very clear that the "Legacy" section shouldn't be used like the previous "Editor's Note" (i.e. no opinionating or rethemed Scare Factors or Cheesy Factors)."

Suggestion 3 - Prohibit redundant redirects (Camenati)

"Why not a rule directed towards redirects? Specifically, no redundant redirects. This includes slight variations of a company's name (i.e. Ragdoll Productions' redirected page is simply called Ragdoll) or those that has a country name next to it. Some admins have took note of this and removed many as this has clogged up the search engine. To add on that, it makes navigating between pages more confusing, especially now that some lead to dead pages that were deleted a few days ago. I think only former names of a company or their acronym are acceptable, but not those that are too similar to the original page's name."

Suggestion 3.1 - Exempt grammatical variations from the redundant redirect rule (Hb1290)

"I would say grammatical variations should be accepted too, like if a company has a hyphen in their name we should be able to have a hyphenless redirect to make it easier to search and link that page. "

Suggestion 4 - Restrict or hide captures of NSFW logos and forbid videos of logos containing jumpscares (Pingu)

"Mature (NSFW) images and videos should be restricted or hidden behind spoiler tags. There should be no videos for entries that involve shocking content like jumpscares, for safety reasons. Further reading: [1]"

Suggestion 5 - Reinstate "No predictions" and "No low-quality pictures" rules (CooleyBoy10)

"There are some rules that used to be on the old wiki that were oddly removed from this version's rules, which I still feel could be of use on here. The two I'm thinking of are no predictions (i.e., say, if NBC got a new logo, and somebody added "This will be first seen on [random show] on [random date]") and only add that IF/WHEN it actually happens, and no low-quality pictures (so nothing with Bandicam watermarks, YouTube artifacts, etc.)."

Suggestion 6 - Require sourcing for claims (CooleyBoy10)

"It's possible this rule might be too restrictive or whatever, but I feel like we need a rule about sourcing your claims. What I mean is, if you say "This logo's jingle was composed by this person" or "This company helped produce this logo" or etc., you should add a source backing up that claim. Also IDK if we have a "citation needed" tag like Wikipedia does but we REALLY need that."

Removals

Suggestion 1 - Remove "No Espionage" (Compooper)

Current rule: "No spying for those who had been blocked, either. Anyone found to be practicing espionage for anyone who has been blocked from AVID will meet the same fate, i.e. blocked."

Reasoning from user: "When has THAT ever happened? In any case, I feel it isn't relevant to this wiki in today's world."

Suggestion 2 - Remove "Don't edit with text extensions" (CooleyBoy10)

Current rule: "Certain add-ons or toolbars can mess up text you post on a website, or change words into something else. For example, during the Wikifoundry era, admin Wyraachur got into hot water for having an add-on that automatically changed words to My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic-related terms (like "everybody" to "everypony" and "America" to "Amareica"). If you have one of these, either remove it, disable it or whitelist this website on it immediately, because they can cause bugs."

Reasoning from user: "When was the last time anybody ever used toolbars, or got tricked into downloading one? As for the add-ons that change text (including the infamous MLP one), I'd say those have mostly gone the way of the dodo bird as well."

Suggestion 3 - Remove subrule of "Don't spam the forums" regarding plastering (Compooper)

Current rule: "Related to the above, please do not create any threads on logo plastering. If the plastering is notable enough (for example, not just another case of the SPT logo plastering a CPT one), please add it into the proper page."

Reasoning from user: "Is a rule THIS specific necessary?"

Modifications

Suggestion 1 - Revise "Irrelevant Content" to add more examples (Compooper)

Reasoning from user: "Irrelevant Content: I feel like it should be rewritten to provide more relevant examples, such as about the off topic discussions, maybe we can allow that under certain cases. I also think politics discussions should be added to the list."

Suggestion 1.1 - Change rule to allow discussion of non-related logos (Anticritic12)

"Allow the star wars logo and similar logos"

Suggestion 2 - Update "No Fake Logos", remove mention of "Hacked Accounts" rule (Compooper)

Current rule: "Making fake reports on real logos or pages will not be tolerated. If you abuse this rule then the administrative team will take proper action accordingly. If you suspect that you have been hacked, please see rule #5."

Suggestion from user: "I wonder why it has randomly a mention of rule 5. It is not really necessary. This rule in general could use an update as it relates to the terms used "fake reports on real logos" does not exactly mean "fake logos"."

Suggestion 2.1 - Retitle rule to "The logo must be legitimate" (Nova)

"TBH I think it should be titled "The logo must be legitimate.""

Suggestion 3 - Update and further enforce "No blank pages" (Compooper)

Current rule: "If you create a page concerning a closing logo, do not leave it blank. The person who created the page will be given two weeks to place content on the respective page. If no content is added within that time frame, then the page will be marked as a stub. Stubs may be flagged for deletion at any time if content has not been added."

Reasoning from user: I feel like we're not enforcing this one enough. This could really use some changes."

Suggestion 3.1 - Add subrule saying that describing at least one logo in a new page is required (DisneyInternationalFan)

"How about something like this? "You may not write descriptions where every section is marked "TBA" either. You should make an effort to describe at least one logo.""

Suggestion 3.2 - Add mentions of the new Draft System (Logohub)

"Some additions about the draft system should be included."

Suggestion 4 - Remove mentions of older WikiFoundry-era users (Compooper)

Reasoning from user: "BOTH - Don't edit with text extensions & No personal commentary: Remove the mention of a WF-era user"

Suggestion 4.1 - Remove ALL references to past drama (Logohub)

"actually, no need to reference past drama overall, like the SSF thing on Klasky-Csupo."

Suggestion 5 - Rewrite "No Drama" to change from talkng about literal drama to the more common type (Compooper)

Current rule: While visiting this website, please keep in mind that this is the Closing Logo Group. This is supposed to be a drama-free group that focuses solely on closing logos and the production companies behind them and so on. This isn't the place for drama queens and kings, petulance, popularity contests, dramatic award winning performances and so on.

Reasoning from user: "No Drama: This rule needs a complete rewrite, it clearly talks about a different kind of drama instead of the one most would typically expect."

Suggestion 6 - Change "Personal Attacks" to include discrimination and merge with "Treat All Members (Compooper)

Reasoning from user: "Personal Attacks should be renamed/repurposed to: Please respect all users: Similar to how the current AVID discord rules writes it, it should mention "No bigotry, racism, lgbtq+-phobia" and also mention no saying any related slurs. Maybe merge it with "treat all members equally"."

Suggestion 7 - Organize the rules in categories (Compooper)

Reasoning from user: "Finally, the rule page should be organized in sections with similar rules, for example group all account rules into one section, all article rules into one section, and so on."

Suggestion 8 - Revise "One Account Only" to allow multiple accounts under some circumstances (Blad)

Reasoning from user: ""One Account Only" Instead of this, I would suggest modifying the policy so that A. Users are required to disclose alternative accounts, as there are several reasons to allow them (see this page for examples), and B. block users who actively abuse them. Using an alt account isn't always abusive. On the flipside, you could also make it so only autoconfirmed/autopatrolled users can use alternative accounts."

Suggestion 9 - Rename "No Stealing Content to "Don't copy this wiki as your own" (Compooper)

Current rule: "The contents of the AVID may be referenced in news articles and other media of the like. However, it is forbidden to deliberately copy any section of this site and label it as your own. Examples include creating another wiki site, copying pages from this site, claiming the pages as your own, and stealing any captures. Doing any of the above actions will automatically result in a ban, and the duplicate site being deleted by Miraheze staff."

Reasoning from user: "Current rule only talks about duplicating the site, maybe rename it to "Don't copy this wiki as your own""

Suggestion 10 - Rewrite and Rename "No Full Shows" to "Don't Upload Copyrighted Programs" (Compooper)

Reasoning from user: "I would rewrite the rule as the following...

Don't Insert Copyrighted Programs We know that certain captures of logos can only be found on full recordings of movies or TV shows. However, we request that you do not insert such videos into this wiki, due to copyright concerns. If you have a YouTube account, you could try editing the video to the part where it has the logo, and upload that capture to the wiki, of course crediting the original uploader.
Most of the rules could use a rewrite similar to this language."

Suggestion 11 - Rewrite "Don't Feed The Trolls" to a more neutral tone (Compooper)

Current rule: Don't respond to any trolls that cause trouble on the site. The people who add fuel to the fire are just as bad as the people who started it. Ban them and be done with it, or if you're not an admin, let one know via their talk page, their messageboard, AVID:User Reports or the AVID discord and not on the thread itself.

Reasoning from user: "Make it a less aggressive tone. Like below:

Don't Feed The Trolls
Trolls are a big problem on this wiki, and we understand they can agitate you when encountering them. But don't go as far as directly fighting with them, as more often than not it would only make the situation worse. If you encounter a troll on this website, either report them in the User Reports, or directly notify an admin/bureaucrat in the Discord, and they will act accordingly in the situation."