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Closing with the consensus of forbidding upscaling, with an oppose vote majority. Logohub (talk) 12:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I have seen one user complain about another updating uploads that are upscaled versions of the previous ones. The question with this is whether or not to allow upscaling on the site? On one hand, they do increase the quality of small sizes but at the same time lose the small details within them.

So, the format of this RfC will be different from the others, considering I am not sure whether to speak in favor or against them, but still revolves around gathering community consensus on a specific idea. Camenati (talk) 05:39, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Allow upscaling

Support so long as it is for active preservation rather than for the sake of upscaling. (name change coming soon) 05:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Support We need it for quality. (• USER TALK! •) 12:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Forbid upscaling

Oppose While it may indeed increase the quality, it doesn't look great most of the time and, in general, feels inauthentic. Metronome (talk) 11:56, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
I thought I'd add that this should also count for A.I. upscaling too, just in case if that wasn't clear already. Metronome (talk) 20:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I don't agree with this upscaling as it either just blows pixels up and creates images that are too big for the server in the long run, or if it were interpolating, would make a rendition that trys to emulate the image into a higher scale. It is somewhat a problem in the cases of poor quality logo captures or sources, and I don't think this should be allowed. E.J. 12.25.2022 9:53 Pm.
Oppose. Upscaling an image, to me, is a cheap way of having a "higher quality" version of an image. Say I wanted to upload a 4K version of the Paramount logo, I'd much rather capture it from a 4K Blu-ray than upscale a DVD of it. Dominicmgm (talk) 03:48, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
- Same here. Gilby1385 (talk) 20:23, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose per everybody else. · Talk · Edits 04:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose nope EsaïeGregoryPrickett (talk) 07:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose per above --Blad (talk • contribs • global) 14:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I concur that upscaling images is a bad idea, but some sources (like streaming) may have been upscaled to begin with. Upscaling on the originating end should not fall under this policy. Thatvhstapeguy (talk) 01:44, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I don't want the original source to be ruined. IAmThe789Guy (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose No, because I rather not have my captures be upscaled and have them exactly as they were. --Lorcan Wooster (talk) 11:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Unsure

Abstain Both sides are making good points (The Third Place) 16:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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+{{archive top|Closing with the consensus of '''forbidding upscaling''', with an oppose vote majority. ''[[User:Logohub|<span style="font-size: 120%;"><span style="font-family:'serif';">Logohub</span></span>]]'' ([[User talk:Logohub|talk]]) 12:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)}}
 I have seen one user complain about another updating uploads that are upscaled versions of the previous ones. The question with this is whether or not to allow upscaling on the site? On one hand, they do increase the quality of small sizes but at the same time lose the small details within them.
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+#{{Support|Big yes from me,}} so long as it is for active preservation rather than for the sake of upscaling. [[File:Eternity Media Group Wordmark.png|100px|link=User:MinistrycraftEntertainment]] (name change coming soon) 05:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Support}} We need it for quality. [[File:Charlie fiddlesticks signature.png|200px|link=User:CharlieFiddlesticks]] ([[User talk:CharlieFiddlesticks|• '''USER TALK!''' •]]) 12:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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+#{{Oppose|strong}} While it may indeed increase the quality, it doesn't look great most of the time and, in general, feels inauthentic. [[User:Metronome|Metronome]] ([[User talk:Metronome|talk]]) 11:56, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
+#:I thought I'd add that this should also count for A.I. upscaling too, just in case if that wasn't clear already. [[User:Metronome|Metronome]] ([[User talk:Metronome|talk]]) 20:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose}} I don't agree with this upscaling as it either just blows pixels up and creates images that are too big for the server in the long run, or if it were interpolating, would make a rendition that trys to emulate the image into a higher scale. It is somewhat a problem in the cases of poor quality logo captures or sources, and I don't think this should be allowed. E.J. 12.25.2022 9:53 Pm.
+#{{Oppose|Strong}}. Upscaling an image, to me, is a cheap way of having a "higher quality" version of an image. Say I wanted to upload a 4K version of the Paramount logo, I'd much rather capture it from a 4K Blu-ray than upscale a DVD of it. [[User:Dominicmgm|Dominicmgm]] ([[User talk:Dominicmgm|talk]]) 03:48, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
+#*Same here. [[User:Gilby1385|Gilby1385]] ([[User talk:Gilby1385|talk]]) 20:23, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose|strong}} per everybody else. [[File:T807sig.png|50px|link=User:Trevor807]] '''·''' '''[[User talk:Trevor807|Talk]]''' '''·''' '''[[Special:Contributions/Trevor807|Edits]]''' 04:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose|strong}} nope [[User:EsaïeGregoryPrickett|EsaïeGregoryPrickett]] ([[User talk:EsaïeGregoryPrickett|talk]]) 07:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose|strong}} per above --''[[User:Blad|<span style="font-weight: bold; background:linear-gradient(#ff00ff,#c800c8,purple,#c800c8,#ff00ff);; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">Blad</span>]]'' ([[User_talk:Blad|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blad|contribs]] • [[mh:meta:Special:CentralAuth/Blad|global]])  14:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose}} I concur that upscaling images is a bad idea, but some sources (like streaming) may have been upscaled to begin with. Upscaling on the originating end should not fall under this policy. [[User:Thatvhstapeguy|Thatvhstapeguy]] ([[User talk:Thatvhstapeguy|talk]]) 01:44, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose}} I don't want the original source to be ruined. [[User:IAmThe789Guy|IAmThe789Guy]] ([[User talk:IAmThe789Guy|talk]]) 17:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
+#{{Oppose}} No, because I rather not have my captures be upscaled and have them exactly as they were. --[[User:Lorcan Wooster|Lorcan Wooster]] ([[User talk:Lorcan Wooster|talk]]) 11:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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+{{Abstain}} Both sides are making good points [[File:CalvinWilkerson-transformed.png|300px|link=User:CalvinWilkerson]]([[User talk:CalvinWilkerson|The Third Place]]) 16:09, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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